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KryptonSite Interview: Alex Garfin Talks Jordan Kent

Interview with Alex Garfin who plays Jordan Kent on The CW television series Superman & Lois

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A new episode of Superman & Lois titled “Through the Valley of Death” airs tonight (July 13) on The CW (photos can be found here) and to promote the episode we spoke with another of the show’s super sons, the incredibly talented Alex Garfin, whose “Jordan Kent” character will be working with his brother to find ways to get their father home.

If you haven’t seen the previous episode “A Brief Reminiscence In-Between Cataclysmic Events” yet, there’s still time before the new episode airs at 9PM (ET/PT). Trust us, it’s worth it to be caught up!

Here’s the interview:

KRYPTONSITE’S CRAIG BYRNE: At the end of Episode 11, is Jordan deflated after he was unable to keep his father away from Morgan Edge?

ALEX GARFIN: He isn’t just deflated; he has a deep exhaustion, but he’s so deep in his exhaustion that he knows he has to keep going. He feels as if he was too weak to save his own family, and that he was the only one there that could have done it. He feels ashamed by the whole thing. When Jonathan confronts him about those feelings, it’s not anything besides just a deep shame. It’s a deep feeling of just being weak, how he felt his whole childhood, in life, in having the social anxiety disorder and having very little friends… he just feels too weak. And now he’s exhausted as well.

How does Jonathan help to bring Jordan out of this?

In the classic Jonathan fashion, he’s just a ramp that Jordan can use to spring himself up. Jonathan is such a supportive brother in every way, and he knows his brother so well. He knows what to say, and he knows what to do. I think a great example of that was in episode 6. Jordan was having problems with his super hearing, and Jonathan thinks it’s a panic attack, and Jonathan immediately springs into knowing what to do. That’s just classic Jonathan, just being there for everyone, and just being awesome brother.

If the situation were reversed, and Jonathan had been the one with the powers, do you think Jordan would have been as helpful?

I think so. I think the way that we’re seeing Jordan now is under all the pressure of powers, and under all of that. So first of all, Jordan would be a very different person, and then on the other note, Johnson would be a very different person, because Jonathan would have to deal with the pressures of potentially killing someone when you get too angry. But in the end, yeah, I do believe they would support each other. I do believe it would be a very different dynamic. But no matter what, Jordan is there for his brother, no matter how much stuff is going on. Same way with Jonathan. I think it does go both ways.

Do you get to share any scenes with David Ramsey, and what was it like to have him on set?

I had one line where Jonathan and Jordan came in, right at the end. It was great seeing him act, because we saw him direct for Episode 7 [“Man of Steel”]. It was also great to talk to a former director of the show and ask him what that whole process is, and I’m trying to better myself as an actor as well. David was just a really nice guy. I had a lot of really great conversations with him, even though he had a Dodgers hat and I’m a Mets fan, and we had to overcome that, but besides that, he’s a great guy.

Earlier this season, the show had Jordan playing the piano. That is one of your own passions, correct?

Yeah! I play a lot of piano. To be honest, I never got too much into video games. I don’t know if it’s just because I didn’t find the right one or whatever, but I was always twinkling… I literally have a guitar sitting here. [Starts playing guitar] I’m always twinkling at something to keep my hands moving, so it was great that we got to incorporate that into the show.

I also personally made sure that he was at a 14 year old playing level, because onside shows, all of the sudden the kid comes up and he’s [perfect].

It was a sweet moment, with him overcoming a giant fear of his, and Sarah overcoming a giant fear of hers. I loved that whole little arc. It was so sweet to have that going on, while that heavy episode with Lois dealing with her loss of Natalie was going on at the same time. It was nice to be on the sweet arc side of it for once.

Will Jordan miss the Jor-El AI now that it has apparently been destroyed?

Yeah. I think everyone has to come to terms with that loss. I think it’s reasonable to assume that Jonathan met Jor-El as well; it was alluded to, I believe, in Episode 2, where Clark had winter clothes for Jonathan out in the football field.

It’s dealing with the loss of his grandfather, but he never really knew him. But, he was also his ticket to his own heritage and figuring out what that means. Primarily, that’s Clark’s loss, and it’s Clark who will have to deal with the loss of his father.

How different was filming the first season of Superman & Lois compared to what you pictured before you started?

Oh, man, I mean, I started before COVID. I booked it in January, so I imagined it being from March to probably around August, and that was going to be the whole thing, and then I’d go back for my senior year, and all that. Instead, you know, we had COVID, so we started in September, and then we shot all the way up until two weeks ago.

As horrible as shooting during COVID was, and all the restrictions are very hard on the crew, especially with those N-95 masks that are just a turtle shell, when you’re working in extreme heat, and then extreme cold, and then extreme heat for 20-hour days… it brought the cast together as a family, because we were all in it together. We all kind of stuck there together. But .it brought us together in a way that I don’t think ever would have happened otherwise. I think we’re all friendly people, but it was really great to see the crew and the cast and the producers all unite and go “we’re going to make something good.”

Do think that the quarantine helped the four of you bond as a family on TV?

I think so. Especially Jordan Elsass and I. We would spend literally every day together, because there was really only the two of us out there. Normally, that would mean that we’d spend a lot of time together, but on top of that, we just really got along well.

He’s from Texas. I’m from New York. We’re different as two people can get, but it’s like, I’m watching Grace & Frankie right now, and we have, like, the teenage boy version of Grace & Frankie going on [with us].

Is it weird to not see him every day now, because of the summer hiatus?

Yeah, it’s a little bit weird. I have to say, we’re missing each other a little bit, but we’re back with our chosen friends. I catch up with him every once in a while. It’s only been two weeks. I’m gonna see him again soon in Raleigh, North Carolina for Galaxy Con… I believe I’ll see him there. If not, then I don’t know. I’ll definitely see Tyler [Hoechlin] there.

Are you intimidated by the idea of doing conventions?

Personally, no, I love meeting people. I used to go up to random people on the subway train and just talk to them. [Fans and I] have something to nerd out about, because I’m a big fan of the show, too. I’ll have a great time as a participant in the convention just as much as I am a person that is invited to it.

Which powers are the most fun to film, and which are kind of difficult to put together?

That’s an interesting question. Each power, for me, has kind of a metaphor in my mind, that kind of lassos it down from the ethereal and tries to make it a little more grounded. Super-hearing was definitely the one in Season 1 that really got that full arc of developing. We kind of see a master heat vision, but not really, and heat vision, I can always imagine as — I don’t know if you ever read Matilda as a little kid — a thousand little hands coming out of your eyes and grabbing a cup. That is always what I think about. I think of a thousand little hands.

With super hearing, I actually learned to ski while I was up [in Vancouver], but that’s exactly how it is, to concentrate and make sure you don’t fall, and you make sure you don’t fall by just kind of going with it. You keep going with it, and if you fall it kind of hurts. It really hurts for Jordan, more so than falling into some powder.

With ice breath, a lot of that is just a lot of breathing stuff. Nothing in particular. I have a whole list in my phone somewhere of how to make it comprehensible in my mind.

When were talking earlier about like talking to David Ramsey as a former director, is directing something you would like to do someday?

I would absolutely love to keep the option open. I know my first and true love is acting. I love creating the person. I love all of that that’s involved in it. But it would be really awesome to direct. Personally, especially over the last two weeks when I didn’t have any school anymore, I went up to every department and made sure I knew what everyone did, first of all, but also how they were good at their job, and what made them good at their job, and why certain directors were put on the whole thing. It was really, really great.

What hype can you share for the season finale that’s coming up in a few weeks, with no spoilers?

The entire thing is spoilers! I personally had one of my favorite scenes that Tom Cavanagh, our director for the episode, and I both really loved: I’ll just say it was a sunset in the field towards the very end of the episode. That’s all I’m gonna say. I really loved that scene. It worked very well.

Do you have a dream guest star from the Arrowverse you would like to see on Superman & Lois?

I would really love to meet Grant Gustin, Stephen Amell or Melissa Benoist; just, the people that have been carrying these shows. I really love to be meeting the people that have carried the shows for this long, and just ask them how they did it with that longevity, because personally, I want to do it, and I want to learn from them. That would be really cool.

Do you have any final words you want to say about why people should tune in for Episode 12 other than the fact that we’ve been waiting so long?

If you care at all about any of these characters, all of them have something going on, and all of it is good. I think that if you are curious on how this all evolves, or a lot of your answers are going to be answered in Episode 12. Episode 11 was the spectacular meteor impact, and Episode 12 is the giant crater. If you really liked 11, you’ll love 12.

You can see a trailer and a preview clip for the July 13 Superman & Lois “Through The Valley Of Death” below.

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Superman & Lois: Michael Bishop Discusses Jon’s New Powers & Season 4

Interview with Michael Bishop about Season 4 of the Superman & Lois TV series airing Mondays on The CW

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Michael Bishop joined the cast of The CW’s Superman & Lois in the third season, taking over the role of “Jonathan Kent” from Jordan Elsass who played the role in Seasons 1 and 2. For the first three seasons, Jonathan was the brother who didn’t have powers, with Alex Garfin‘s “Jordan” being the one who inherited some Kryptonian from his Super dad. Those things changed in the third episode of Season 4, as now Jon has abilities… and he seems pretty good at using them.

KryptonSite’s Craig Byrne recently interviewed Michael Bishop about Jon’s power increase as well as his experience of doing the show which is now four episodes in to its final season. New episodes of the show air Mondays at 8PM on The CW, with the next new episode “Break the Cycle” airing on October 28. And of course, our first question involves — you knew it — the powers.

KRYPTONSITE: How long have you been waiting for Jonathan to get powers?

MICHAEL BISHOP: I’ve been rooting for him to get powers all along. I mean, I loved the storyline that he was a hero without the powers, and I thought that was such an interesting dynamic between Jon and Jordan, and I think it was really a beautiful story, but I think it’s just about time that this guy became the hero that he truly is, because he’s been showing signs of being a true hero from Day One. He’s had his ups and downs, but I think he’s always had that heroic heart and that heroic mindset, and so it was really exciting to be told that that’s what we were doing this season, because I think it’s a great service to the fans. I think it was just really awesome how it played out.

When you found out that it was happening, was there also a feeling of “Finally! But the show is ending in seven episodes!”

[Laughs] Yeah, absolutely. I also thought about the fact that I booked the show, and I was like, “yes! sick! I’m going to be on the superhero show. Wait, I’m not going to get to have powers on a superhero show, and I’m going to have to live with that forever, that I was on the superhero show and I didn’t get to have powers!” But honestly, I’m happy that I got to do it for for even just one season.

Those flying scenes pretty tough. They take a lot out of your core and your back. They’re tough, but I would have done it for five more seasons, too.

Can you talk about getting to work side by side with Tyler Hoechlin doing super-feats and training as Jonathan and Clark together?

That was really fun. We hadn’t had too many one-on-one scenes before this season, and so to get that training, which I think are some of the most fun scenes ever… when you get to see someone training, which I think are some of the most fun scenes ever… I think it’s so awesome. And so, to get one of those with him and and a few other really nice moments with Tyler this season was truly wonderful.

He’s always been so welcoming from Day One. I was a little anxious. I booked the role [prior to Season 3] and started shooting within a week, and he he instantly welcomed me and gave me some wise words that made me feel really comfortable, and really settled, and really valued. And so getting to kind of have that moment with him was was really wonderful.

Is it true that you auditioned for Jonathan during the first audition process for the series?

It is! Back in 2019 or 2020, I auditioned for Jon, and it got right down to the wire, and I missed out. I was heartbroken. I always felt like “damn, I would have played a really good Jon Kent.” I really felt that, truly, and I don’t normally feel that about roles. If I miss out on them, I usually go “all right, well, you know, that’s fine. It wasn’t meant to be.” But with this one, I was sure that was my role!

Jordan Elsass did a fantastic job with Jon, but to have the role come back to me in this way was so surreal and so incredible. I’m forever grateful.

They paired you with a different Jordan in the audition, right?

Yeah. You know, all of these audition processes…. they’re really interesting, and you do some really fun things. But at the time, it was a great lesson of dealing with heartbreak. But I’m so happy that it came back in this way.

When you did that first audition for Jonathan, were you surprised, since in the comics, he is the son who has the powers?

I was, because Jordan’s an original character, right? I thought it was a really interesting spin. But also, I didn’t know when I was first auditioning… it’s a little foggy for me now, but I didn’t think either of them were going to get powers. I feel like I vividly remember something in the script made me believe that neither of them were going to ever get powers. So now, for both of them to have them, and to get to have that Super Sons thing on TV is really cool. I love doing that with Alex and and I think the dynamic between the two of them is so fun.

Is there any chance that Jon might get a better costume than the dorky goggles look, with no offense to Alex, who had to wear it previously?

[Laughs] That costume is ridiculous!

All I will say about the Snoopy fighter pilot costume is that is that I look just as ridiculous in that costume as Alex does. So it’s not Alex. It is definitely the costume.

How do these powers continue to affect John’s relationship with Jordan, because the end of the most recent episode, they seem to be in a pretty good place?

The sibling dynamic is really interesting. It’s really hot and cold, and that feels really authentic. I have two brothers myself, and it is like that, you know? You always love each other, but you’re gonna bicker and you’re gonna have really hot and cold moments, and there are things that go unsaid, and that feels really real, and I love that we get to demonstrate that on this show.

I think both brothers are battling with a hundred different mixed feelings at the moment. Their their dad had just died and then recovered, which is like, “what the actual f%^#! What does that mean?” And they’re also dealing with their Granddad dying, and they have the terrifying Lex Luthor out to destroy everything that their family has. Jordan’s been trying to be a hero in some ways, and he’s gotten it wrong so many times, and now, Jon gets powers, and he’s got it right from the get-go, and that’s really tough. I feel like I can understand Jordan’s jealousy and Jordan’s hardship with that. He’s trying to be proud for his brother, but it’s really difficult. And then, in the same way, Jon’s really battling with wanting to be happy for himself, but understanding that this is a pretty painful thing for his brother to see. I’m excited for that to get fleshed out some more, and hopefully we get to see the Super Sons in action!

Is it also painful or awkward to see what his father is going through at this time?

Absolutely. It humanizes this god-like figure, in a way that is so relatable and really tough to see. We’re going to see a big shift in the mindset around Superman. It humanizes him in a really, really cool way, but in a really frightening way. And I think for Jon, and Jordan, and Lois, and the rest of the family, it definitely changes their perspective on their dad, who they thought was this invincible guy. They just want the best for him.

Might we see Candice or any of Jon’s other romantic interests before the end of the series?

I think we might. I think that’s okay to tease. [NOTE: We do indeed see Candice in the new episode airing Monday, October 28. See an exclusive preview clip below!]

 

Jon and Candice have such a beautiful, sweet teen romance. Jon is such a lover boy and and I really love them together, and I love that he’s in love, because I think it adds another layer to this really tough dynamic where he’s now trying to be a hero and maintain that love life, and his friends, and his family, and it throws another thing into this whirlwind of emotions for him that was really fun to play off.

Is there a part of you that ever wanted to see Jon get with Sarah?

Oh, that’s really interesting. I don’t think so.

I think it’s like “bro code” at the end of the day. Jon doesn’t want anything to do with that, because that’s his brother’s gal. You know what I mean? Even if she’s not anymore, it’s just something that if my brother, in real life, ever had someone, and then I just [swooped in]… it’s just one of those things where I just feel like “you don’t go there.”

I feel like Jon’s pretty with the bro code, and also, Sarah and Jon have this really fun friendship. She’s there for him in ways that no one else is. It’s a different dynamic that he has than with anyone else in the show, and I like that we could see a little bit of that in Season 4.

I think Jon just wants Sarah and Jordan to just stay away from each other, because I think he’s been seeing the red flags for a while.

What’s the big takeaway that you’ll get from having had the Superman & Lois experience?

Biggest takeaway? I think the main thing, honestly, is that I’m really proud of myself as an actor, like stepping into this role so last minute, and really delving into this and doing the best that I possibly can for this character who is adored so greatly.

I’m so grateful that I got to work with all these wonderful people. I learned so much. I almost considered going to acting school around the time that I booked the show, and I’m so glad that this happened instead, because this was like a master class in itself. I learned so much about myself in many ways, and I honestly, I’m really proud of myself, and I’m really proud of the work that we were able to put out. And I hope fans can take away the hope that Superman & Lois gives people.

How was your last day on set?

My last day on set was great. It was really fun. Everyone was there, I remember that… I don’t know if I can say that…

We’ve seen pictures.

It was a really, really great day. It was sad, of course. I did a couple shots at the end of the day, because I wanted to have a little celebration. It was sad saying goodbye to the crew, because I know I won’t be seeing the crew I won’t be seeing too often, whereas the cast I get to see sometimes. But it was a really beautiful send off, and I’m really excited for people to see it.

Now that you have returned home, do your friends react to you differently, now that you have played the son of Superman and Lois Lane?

I’m really glad that both Alex and I get to go through this together, because I have someone to relate to. Yeah, I think I’m getting referred to as Superboy by my friends more now than Michael, so I think I have to live with that for a little while.

I’m just really glad that Alex is probably going through the exact same thing, so we get to share that together.

My friends and family are just really proud of me, and they love the show. I couldn’t be more grateful for all of them.

Is there any chance you might reunite with the cast to do some fan conventions in the future?

I would love to do some fan conventions. It’s really tough because I’m from Australia, and I know it’s expensive to get me out there, but I would love to show up at those. So if any of the cons or the con people are [reading this], make a petition to get me there, because I would love to be at them. I’d love to do that with Tyler and Bitsie and Alex and everyone, because as many times as I can see them, it is another wonderful memory that I get to share with them.

Is there anything specific you’d like to say to the fans that will be reading this interview?

I would love to say “thank you so much.” I was so terrified coming onto this show. I know you all loved Joh so dearly, and I am so delighted that you feel that I was able to bring this character to life in a way that made you all happy. I just can’t thank you enough, because this could have gone really sour for me. They say it was a big gamble. Being a recast, it’s always a tough thing, but I think I got really, really lucky. I wouldn’t be as content as I am right now without all of your love and your support for my Jon.

Superman & Lois has another new episode “Break the Cycle” airing this Monday, October 28 on The CW. Get caught up with past Season 4 episodes on CWTV.com or the CW app!

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Superman & Lois EPs Discuss Jonathan’s Big Change

Superman & Lois showrunners Todd Helbing and Brent Fletcher discuss Jonathan Kent’s new situation after the episode “Always My Hero.”

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SPOILER WARNING: Do not read this article if you have not yet seen Superman & Lois Episode #4.3 “Always My Hero” which aired October 14 on The CW.

After more than three seasons, it’s finally happened: Jonathan Kent (Michael Bishop) has powers!

In the lead-up to Superman & Lois Season 4, KryptonSite spoke with showrunners Todd Helbing and Brent Fletcher about the new season (full interview here), but some things had to be held for spoilers, and this is one of those things.

“We thought it was kind of an interesting paradox,” Brent Fletcher said about the decision to finally give Jonathan Kent powers. “He’s been a kid without them for so long, and he’s been looking through the looking glass at his brother, especially at a point where things were sour. To let a kid that really wanted this thing finally get the Corvette and be able to be able to take it out of the garage was a joy for us to talk about. We thought it would be fun on screen and then we talked about it forward for the season. There are some interesting stories that come with it. We think it brings a new dynamic to that brother relationship, which we’re always interested in exploring,” he continued.

Todd Helbing stressed that even with powers, the dynamic with Jonathan and his brother Jordan (Alex Garfin) won’t completely change. “They’re still brothers. They still have these differences in what they can and can’t do. We just wanted to take that idea and explore it at the next level, so you’re going to see Jonathan exploring this newfound ability, and Jordan trying to figure out how now he fits into this dynamic,” he added.

Unfortunately, this change will make Jordan feel “less than” for the first time in a while. He was unsuccessful against Lex, his brother has powers, and he’s heard about his mother’s choice when picking one son to save. “It just hasn’t been a good run for him and then to see his twin brother on the up is an interesting place to put somebody, and we felt like that was going to be good terrain to explore,” Fletcher teased.

KryptonSite has learned that “comic book fans will be very happy” with Jonathan’s trajectory — what that will ultimately mean, we don’t know. A costume? Maybe. Jay? Probably not. In any event, new episodes of Superman & Lois air Mondays at 8PM ET/PT on The CW.

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Superman & Lois Post-Mortem: Showrunners Discuss [SPOILER]’s Death

Superman & Lois showrunners discuss the death of a character in the Season 4 episode “Always My Hero.”

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WARNING: Spoilery events from the October 14 episode of Superman & Lois titled “Always My Hero” are being discussed in this article. If you haven’t watched yet, bookmark this page, wait until you’ve seen it, and come read after you’ve screened the episode!

It went by so fast… and with those words, we say goodbye to General Sam Lane (Dylan Walsh) who sacrificed himself to Doomsday with a final plan to save the life of Superman. He literally gave his heart for the man whose heart is shared with Sam’s daughter — Lois’ husband, Superman, who appears to be able to recover in the Fortress of Solitude.

Leading into the fourth season, KryptonSite spoke with Showrunners Brent Fletcher and Todd Helbing about what Dylan Walsh brought to General Lane over these four seasons of Superman & Lois. [According to a social media post by his wife, Dylan Walsh only appears in two episodes for this final season, so this is it.]

“Dylan brought everything, ” Brent Fletcher said. “He’s such an incredible actor, and couldn’t have knocked it out of the park more than he did with his performance in Episode 3.”

“Just the idea of Sam making the ultimate sacrifice to bring Superman back, we felt, was really the only way to do it and justify him coming back, because it’s such a big thing. When you kill Superman, you have to live with it for a while, and if you’re going to bring him back, it needs to have consequences and stakes. It shouldn’t just be something simple and easy and everybody lives happily thereafter. We wanted everything to feel real and lived in,” he continued. “Death is a big thing, and we didn’t want our audience to think that we were playing lightly with it just because it had been done in comics before. We felt having Sam make that sacrifice was a way to earn it, because people love him so much, and we love him so much.”

The characters of the show recently went through losing Superman, and now, they will be saying goodbye to a father figure and grandfather who touched them all. Only seven episodes of Superman & Lois remain, but Sam Lane’s impact and sacrifice will surely reverberate for weeks to come.

Superman & Lois airs Mondays at 8PM ET/PT on The CW.

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