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The Chlois Theory
Chloe's Pseudonym; Chloe = Lois
General Theory: Chloe Sullivan was the name Lois Lane was born with. The name Lois is a pen name that she now goes by on the regular
Anti-Chlois Evidence:
-Lois Lane already exists
-Lois' father's name is Sam and her sister's name is Lucy
-Lois has got an attitude
-Lois smoked in the premier, like the movie-versions have.
-Lois Lane generally doesn't back down from anything
-Lois Lane has martial arts skills (comics, animated series, Smallville, Lois & Clark)
-Lois Lane is a bad speller (Lois & Clark, the movies (old and new), Smallville)
-Lois Lane calls Clark 'Smallville' as a nick name (animated series, comics, Smallville)
-Lois Lane is a bad cook (Lois & Clark, comics, Smallville)
-Lois Lane will go under cover for a story (comics, movies, Lois & Clark, Smallville, George Reeves series)
-Lois Lane teases Clark Kent (comics, Lois & Clark, animated series, George Reeves series)
-Lois Lane is not a computer hacker
-Lois Lane is not a techno-geek
-Lois Lane does not have a father named Gabe
-Lois Lane did not have an unrequited crush on Clark Kent
-Lois Lane has dated JLA Members OTHER than Superman/Clark
Pro-Chlois Evidence:
-Every year since Clark and Chloe have known each other they've shared a single kiss
-Season one showed how they could have been if Lana wasn't a factor.
-Season two showed Chloe read a letter to him that was personally handled by al/miles.
-Season three we learn she never gave Lionel anything on Clark and had been protecting him in Metropolis. She breaks away from her crush and starts to pull out on her own.
-In Delete she adopted Lois Lane as a pen name attached to an article.
-Lois Lane's idol has always been Perry White & we learn in 'Perry' that Chloe's idol has always been Perry White.
-In ALL versions of the comics when Lois is matched up against Clark's ex-girlfriends she is always the dowdy unkempt homely one while the other girls are vixens
-Lois is never allowed a romantic interest outside of Clark/Superman, while Chloe has yet to get a boyfriend (although perhaps this is questionable given the recent Superman Returns)
-In some versions Lois and Lana were roommates in college, in some versions Lois and Lori were roommates in college. Lana & Chloe are roomates in college.
-Lois interned at the DP and was chronicled in a serial entry entitled "How I Spent My Summer Vacation". Chloe interned at the DP and was chronicled in the Smallville comic entry entitled "How I Spent My Summer Vacation"
-Lois was the youngest reporter at the Daily Planet. Chloe was the youngest reporter at the Daily Planet.
-One of the first humans to the Fortress of Solitude has always been Lois Lane. The first human to the Fortress of Solitude in Smallville was Chloe.
-Lois activates Clark's super hearing. Chloe is the only one on the show who triggers Clark's super hearing, all the other times he has to focus to use it
-Finally, Nellie Bly was the first female investigative reporter & was likely used as a template for Lois Lane. Nellie is Chloe's childhood idol.
Borrowed and modified in part from Kal'sGirl's post in the previous threads.
Feel free to request additional lines be added or lines to be edited to either of these, up to 20 line items each (to keep it readable).
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Debate Thread Rules
History
The original Chlois Debate Thread started when the first spoilers for episode 311, Delete, were leaked. The spoilers indicated that Chloe was going to try to write for the Daily Planet under the name Lois Lane. Since then, it's become a very active thread discussing prior and upcoming SV canon, canon from other shows/movies/comics in the Supermanverse, and sometimes even Joe Campbell, Cinderella, or other miscellaneous references pop-up.
In December, 2005, the first thread hit so many posts that it was problematic to continue loading it and filter through to find past arguments and quote them, so we opened up a second thread. The second thread quickly reached nearly 500 pages within 7 month's time.
The debate thread continues to exist because of the passionate opinions both Pro-Chlois and Anti-Chlois fans have.
Debating
This is a debate thread!!!! There will be pro-Chloisers here. There will be anti-Chloisers here. Both are encouraged to give their opinions, state their reasons, provide support for their arguments, and engage in a healty & positive debate. And both parties will be listened to at all times.
To that end, please respect all viewpoints on this thread. Although the nature of a debate thread is heated, please follow the general K-Site Rules at all times. Please pay particular attention to the following rules:
3) We do not allow threats or insinuations of violence toward anyone, including the actors and production teams of the shows/movies discussed on these boards.
10) DISCUSSION ON THIS BOARD SHOULD AT ALL TIMES BE ABOUT THE SHOWS THEMSELVES, NOT OURSELVES, THE BOARDS, OTHER POSTERS OR OTHER FANS.
-- This includes comments calling pro-chloisers or anti-chloisers stupid, deluded, or any other insulting term.
-- This includes psychoanalyzing the reasons other members of the board feel the way they do
-- This includes turning debates into personal attacks against other posters. While the nature of debate requires you to post in response to other poster's points, please do not turn the debate into a negative attack against the poster.
11) If your post was edited by a Moderator, DO NOT re-edit out the moderator's remarks.
12) LEAVE THE MODERATING TO THE ACTUAL MODERATORS. DO NOT attempt to "put another poster in his/her place." Instead please use the Report Post link if you feel that someone is breaking the board rules or if something needs the attention of a Moderator.
13) If you feel you need to discuss a matter with a particular moderator, please do so via PM. Please REFRAIN from commenting (even agreeing) in a thread to a Moderator's warning as it does not add to the thread but to make it off topic.
14) This board is for the discussion of anything about the shows we cover, whether it is positive or negative. Everyone has a right to their opinions, so making statements like "how can you all think this way" or "why does everybody hate....." is prohibited. Making remarks like "You're all just jealous"... is considered flaming!
15) At no point should anyone tell anyone else, "If you don't like it then stop watching." People are allowed to have their opinions, even if that opinion is that Smallville/ Veronica Mars/ etc. is a terrible show.
Reminders
Because of the nature of these threads, we request that you try to read up on some of the ideas already presented. We will provide a crash course later this week in this very post for those of you who don't want to read through thousands of posts to participate.
The first thread can be found here .
The second thread can be found here
Consider this a reminder to re-read the rules/TOS. If you have a problem with another poster take it to PM or contact a moderator.
Spoilers, obviously, will be talked about in this thread.
If you want to link something, PM Veaglarwen or Chiriru or one of the other mods first.
If you do not wish to debate but still want your opinion to be heard, please go to the General Discussion Thread!!!
Basic Assumptions:
What is SV Canon?
Smallville canon includes anything written by the producers/writers of the show which is designed to be a part of the Official Smallville Universe. That includes Chronicles, Comic Books, Torch and Ledger articles, Verizon Commercials, Novelizations, etc.
What about media?
You are welcomed to post media here but be sure that it is always always always posted in the Chlois media thread first. This thread gets so large and moves so fast that we need an easy place to refer to the media so all media discussed in the Debate thread SHOULD be found in the media thread.
Smallville does what it wants
The Chlois theory is based on the knowledge that Smallville is rewriting/reimagining/reimaing the superman mythology. This means that anything goes and any character's backstory can be changed (i.e. Flash, Cyborg, Aquaman).
Does this mean that they can make Lois Lane not interseted in journalism? Of course. But it also means they can change Lois' history to be the Lois Lane who was once called Chloe Sullivan as well, and that is the avenue we are branching down for this thread.
Can I state things like 'Lois is Lois and Chloe is Chloe'?
No. That goes in gen thread. This is the debate thread, all statements must come with some sort of support. This thread is based on the assumption that something is not something else.
Chloe's Pseudonym; Chloe = Lois
General Theory: Chloe Sullivan was the name Lois Lane was born with. The name Lois is a pen name that she now goes by on the regular
Anti-Chlois Evidence:
-Lois Lane already exists
-Lois' father's name is Sam and her sister's name is Lucy
-Lois has got an attitude
-Lois smoked in the premier, like the movie-versions have.
-Lois Lane generally doesn't back down from anything
-Lois Lane has martial arts skills (comics, animated series, Smallville, Lois & Clark)
-Lois Lane is a bad speller (Lois & Clark, the movies (old and new), Smallville)
-Lois Lane calls Clark 'Smallville' as a nick name (animated series, comics, Smallville)
-Lois Lane is a bad cook (Lois & Clark, comics, Smallville)
-Lois Lane will go under cover for a story (comics, movies, Lois & Clark, Smallville, George Reeves series)
-Lois Lane teases Clark Kent (comics, Lois & Clark, animated series, George Reeves series)
-Lois Lane is not a computer hacker
-Lois Lane is not a techno-geek
-Lois Lane does not have a father named Gabe
-Lois Lane did not have an unrequited crush on Clark Kent
-Lois Lane has dated JLA Members OTHER than Superman/Clark
Pro-Chlois Evidence:
-Every year since Clark and Chloe have known each other they've shared a single kiss
-Season one showed how they could have been if Lana wasn't a factor.
-Season two showed Chloe read a letter to him that was personally handled by al/miles.
-Season three we learn she never gave Lionel anything on Clark and had been protecting him in Metropolis. She breaks away from her crush and starts to pull out on her own.
-In Delete she adopted Lois Lane as a pen name attached to an article.
-Lois Lane's idol has always been Perry White & we learn in 'Perry' that Chloe's idol has always been Perry White.
-In ALL versions of the comics when Lois is matched up against Clark's ex-girlfriends she is always the dowdy unkempt homely one while the other girls are vixens
-Lois is never allowed a romantic interest outside of Clark/Superman, while Chloe has yet to get a boyfriend (although perhaps this is questionable given the recent Superman Returns)
-In some versions Lois and Lana were roommates in college, in some versions Lois and Lori were roommates in college. Lana & Chloe are roomates in college.
-Lois interned at the DP and was chronicled in a serial entry entitled "How I Spent My Summer Vacation". Chloe interned at the DP and was chronicled in the Smallville comic entry entitled "How I Spent My Summer Vacation"
-Lois was the youngest reporter at the Daily Planet. Chloe was the youngest reporter at the Daily Planet.
-One of the first humans to the Fortress of Solitude has always been Lois Lane. The first human to the Fortress of Solitude in Smallville was Chloe.
-Lois activates Clark's super hearing. Chloe is the only one on the show who triggers Clark's super hearing, all the other times he has to focus to use it
-Finally, Nellie Bly was the first female investigative reporter & was likely used as a template for Lois Lane. Nellie is Chloe's childhood idol.
Borrowed and modified in part from Kal'sGirl's post in the previous threads.
Feel free to request additional lines be added or lines to be edited to either of these, up to 20 line items each (to keep it readable).
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Debate Thread Rules
History
The original Chlois Debate Thread started when the first spoilers for episode 311, Delete, were leaked. The spoilers indicated that Chloe was going to try to write for the Daily Planet under the name Lois Lane. Since then, it's become a very active thread discussing prior and upcoming SV canon, canon from other shows/movies/comics in the Supermanverse, and sometimes even Joe Campbell, Cinderella, or other miscellaneous references pop-up.
In December, 2005, the first thread hit so many posts that it was problematic to continue loading it and filter through to find past arguments and quote them, so we opened up a second thread. The second thread quickly reached nearly 500 pages within 7 month's time.
The debate thread continues to exist because of the passionate opinions both Pro-Chlois and Anti-Chlois fans have.
Debating
This is a debate thread!!!! There will be pro-Chloisers here. There will be anti-Chloisers here. Both are encouraged to give their opinions, state their reasons, provide support for their arguments, and engage in a healty & positive debate. And both parties will be listened to at all times.
To that end, please respect all viewpoints on this thread. Although the nature of a debate thread is heated, please follow the general K-Site Rules at all times. Please pay particular attention to the following rules:
3) We do not allow threats or insinuations of violence toward anyone, including the actors and production teams of the shows/movies discussed on these boards.
10) DISCUSSION ON THIS BOARD SHOULD AT ALL TIMES BE ABOUT THE SHOWS THEMSELVES, NOT OURSELVES, THE BOARDS, OTHER POSTERS OR OTHER FANS.
-- This includes comments calling pro-chloisers or anti-chloisers stupid, deluded, or any other insulting term.
-- This includes psychoanalyzing the reasons other members of the board feel the way they do
-- This includes turning debates into personal attacks against other posters. While the nature of debate requires you to post in response to other poster's points, please do not turn the debate into a negative attack against the poster.
11) If your post was edited by a Moderator, DO NOT re-edit out the moderator's remarks.
12) LEAVE THE MODERATING TO THE ACTUAL MODERATORS. DO NOT attempt to "put another poster in his/her place." Instead please use the Report Post link if you feel that someone is breaking the board rules or if something needs the attention of a Moderator.
13) If you feel you need to discuss a matter with a particular moderator, please do so via PM. Please REFRAIN from commenting (even agreeing) in a thread to a Moderator's warning as it does not add to the thread but to make it off topic.
14) This board is for the discussion of anything about the shows we cover, whether it is positive or negative. Everyone has a right to their opinions, so making statements like "how can you all think this way" or "why does everybody hate....." is prohibited. Making remarks like "You're all just jealous"... is considered flaming!
15) At no point should anyone tell anyone else, "If you don't like it then stop watching." People are allowed to have their opinions, even if that opinion is that Smallville/ Veronica Mars/ etc. is a terrible show.
Reminders
Because of the nature of these threads, we request that you try to read up on some of the ideas already presented. We will provide a crash course later this week in this very post for those of you who don't want to read through thousands of posts to participate.
The first thread can be found here .
The second thread can be found here
Consider this a reminder to re-read the rules/TOS. If you have a problem with another poster take it to PM or contact a moderator.
Spoilers, obviously, will be talked about in this thread.
If you want to link something, PM Veaglarwen or Chiriru or one of the other mods first.
If you do not wish to debate but still want your opinion to be heard, please go to the General Discussion Thread!!!
Basic Assumptions:
What is SV Canon?
Smallville canon includes anything written by the producers/writers of the show which is designed to be a part of the Official Smallville Universe. That includes Chronicles, Comic Books, Torch and Ledger articles, Verizon Commercials, Novelizations, etc.
What about media?
You are welcomed to post media here but be sure that it is always always always posted in the Chlois media thread first. This thread gets so large and moves so fast that we need an easy place to refer to the media so all media discussed in the Debate thread SHOULD be found in the media thread.
Smallville does what it wants
The Chlois theory is based on the knowledge that Smallville is rewriting/reimagining/reimaing the superman mythology. This means that anything goes and any character's backstory can be changed (i.e. Flash, Cyborg, Aquaman).
Does this mean that they can make Lois Lane not interseted in journalism? Of course. But it also means they can change Lois' history to be the Lois Lane who was once called Chloe Sullivan as well, and that is the avenue we are branching down for this thread.
Can I state things like 'Lois is Lois and Chloe is Chloe'?
No. That goes in gen thread. This is the debate thread, all statements must come with some sort of support. This thread is based on the assumption that something is not something else.
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